Wed 10 Oct 2007
Trent at Simple Dollar has a great post targeting “Minimum Wage”, a frequent commentator (and some would say Troll - an accusation I’ve made) on many of the personal finance blogs. J.D. at Get Rich Slowly followed it up with another post on escaping minimum wage. Even more interesting than the posts themselves are the comments. One accusation that really stuck was a comment stating that personal finance bloggers are all smug. Even though it’s unlikely any commentator was thinking of me given I’m not popular enough to have enemies, I did feel a tad hurt by it. However, where there’s smoke there’s generally fire. Maybe not a a roaring bonfire, but at least a small barbecue grill.
I personally don’t find popular financial bloggers such as Trent at The Simple Dollar, JD at Get Rich Slowly, or Flexo at Consumerist Commentary to be either arrogant or smug (or at least I haven’t noticed). However, at least in the case of JD and Trent from what I can gather were served humble pie when they were younger. They didn’t start out being good with money, and their blogs are a testament and chronicle of how they’ve reassessed and got their financial lives on track. However there are many other bloggers whom I must be included amongst who’ve never had real financial difficulties. Not only have we not had big trouble, we also do pretty well for ourselves in terms income. For readers to complain that we are out of touch with the rest society is more than fair. It’s not very hard to establish an emergency fund, max out the 401k, and Roth when you’re raking in over 100k a year. Less than 15% of all households make over 100k a year, and 40% make less than 35k. For a family struggling on 35k a year, buying insurance, establishing an emergency fund, pursuing more education, and saving for retirement is hardly a given. At that range of income, budgets are dominated by basic necessities such as shelter and food. While I think it’s all well and good for us smug bloggers to share tidbits of knowledge, some of us could do a better job of acknowleding our blessings.
I’m firm believer that both luck and persistence and hardwork play large roles in our personal fortunes, financial and otherwise. Fortunes (other than ones that are inherited) are not made on luck alone, nor does hard work and persistence always pay off. However, even when things haven’t worked out there is still hope. Doing nothing to better your situation guarantees that you won’t improve it. Trying at least give you a chance when combined with a little luck may lead to better days.
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October 10th, 2007 at 9:03 am
Dong, as usual you end your post on a positive (optimistic) note.
I don’t know if all or most PF bloggers are smug, I don’t want to judge. (there’s no point to judge anyway.) But I think people in general like to be aknowledged, to be right, to have the last word (whether it in the blog world or real life conversation). And also, we assume too much (and our assumption is based on our experience, knowledge, IQ and EQ.)
I think your last paragraph pretty much sums it up, we try our best and see what happens. Some may have it easier than others. This is life.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:48 am
Smug isn’t a word I’d use, but I have had the impression reading a couple of high-traffic moneybloggers that they are quite defensive and consider dissenting comments to be a nuisance to be cut off abruptly. It’s hard to know how much of that is just writing on the fly, tone doesn’t come through very well for all but the best writers, but it has happened on more than one occasion on the same blogs.
JD Roth is certainly the very antithesis of smug, he comes across on his blog as a genuinely nice, interesting guy. So do Lazyman (despite being a Red Sox fan), Brip Blap and the guys at Four Pillars, off the top of my head. Your blog is new to me but I’m sure you’re lovely
But to some extent again some people just have a corporate writing style and don’t have the talent to project warmth into content about dollars.
I also think there’s a difference between blogs which are up front “I am documenting my experience” and blogs which purport to offer advice and tips, in which case reaching as many readers as possible must be part of the deal.
It’s interesting to see this “debate” work through the various blogs. Minimum wage issues aren’t much use to me personally, but I think the more varied the information and topics, the better.
October 10th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Humble Pie… I Eat It.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
guinness416: Thanks for the complement - even the Red Sox part of it. I never claim to have all the answers for all people. I like to think that I can help some people and I like expressing myself while hopefully improving my writing skills. Beyond that, you get what you pay for when you visit my site.
I hope Dong gets my previous comment.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Well, I’m currently under the $35k mark. But I am grateful for my education and possibilities and think I can surpass it eventually. I don’t know what it would be like to read these blogs from the perspective of someone who’s been making minimum wage (or low wages) for 20 years and feels trapped. I don’t see them as smug.
I think some people feel frustrated because they’ve tried to break the cycle and it hasn’t worked. So they attack people who say it’s possible. Like on TSD, several people attacked Trent because they thought he was calling Min. wage earners “lazy.” What he said was “you’re young, very lazy, or very unlucky.” For the not-young, they could have easily gone with unlucky. Had he not put that in, it would have been smug. They could just say “Well, I’ve been the unlucky one.”
My 2 cents.
October 10th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Lazyman, definitely get the reference. I was thinking about the Patriots when I mentioned humble pie :).
October 10th, 2007 at 7:22 pm
Well, I will make a semi-negative comment and say the “definitiveness” of the PF blogosphere sometimes bothers me a little. Some PF bloggers who were in terrible financial straits a couple of years ago might occasionally be a little bit dismissive of people who are in dire straits. It’s awfully easy to give advice, and not everyone has Lazy Man’s attitude. I feel bad for people who earn minimum wage - it’s a very deep hole to climb out of.
The whole concept of minimum wage personal finance blogging - to me at least - comes down to one point: figure out how to make more money, because you’re never going to get ahead in this nation without making more than minimum wage.
Plus, I have noticed a disturbing trend in the PF blogosphere of supporting Boston sports teams, which is clearly irrational.
October 10th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
I do make minimum wage (well, plus tips LOL) but brip blap’s comment that “you’re never going to get ahead in this nation without making more than the minimum wage” has been proven wrong before. It just takes a massive amount of discipline and sacrifice. But hey, nothing worth having should come too easily!
I also believe since we cannot hear the writer’s tone of voice, many tend to read into the words more than what is meant to be there. Something that might be meant as encouraging can sometimes come across as smug to different people. I DO believe people can save up an emergency fund on low income, because I have done it. I do believe people can better their situation even when below the median wage, because I am doing it.
And as for Lazy Man’s strange proclivity to support Boston sports teams…well I guess no one’s perfect!
October 11th, 2007 at 3:24 am
I’m sure it takes a massive amount of discipline and sacrifice, and I guess I should clarify and say “you’re never going to get ahead FINANCIALLY.” I am sure it’s possible but probably only with going to extremes that most people would consider unacceptable. The easiest way for most people to get ahead on minimum wage, I imagine, is still to try to figure out new ways of earning income rather than figuring out how to save more efficiently. Just my opinion….
But hey, what do I know? If DFR has managed to save and prosper at minimum wage, then it’s clearly possible! Listen to DFR (or better yet go take a look at her blog, which I did), not me!
October 11th, 2007 at 7:30 am
Tone is very hard to convey in writing, but I do think some writers to manage to do good job of conveying humility. Sometimes it might as simply saying every so often “I don’t know or I’m not sure.”
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